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Magazine's 'satirical' cover stirs controversy

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Barack Obama's campaign says a satirical New Yorker magazine cover showing the Democratic presidential candidate dressed as a Muslim and his wife as a terrorist is "tasteless and offensive."

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globug

Pretty good cover if you ask me.

  • 41 votes
#1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:15 AM EDT
G. Barrett, SC

I can see that it is satire, but the problem is some people will look at this cover and say "I told you so. They wouldn't print this if there weren't some truth behind it." Obviously a rational person would see this cover for what it is, but unfortunately, many people are not rational.

The cover should also include the title of the article which was "Politics of Fear" or something like that.

  • 24 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:09 AM EDT
David-370851

Please...G.W. Bush is the biggest joke this o@!$%#ry has ever had, and he laughs at himself. He and his cronies have made billions of dollars using the American public as goats. Let Osama Obama get a sence os humor.

    #1.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
    Diana-375867

    As a European, I used to look at the USA as great friendly country. In the past 7 Years I saw it going into shame and felt sad about it. But even after all the lies and corruptions, patronizing, fear creator etc., I still had some hope for you guys when Obama came to the picture. After what I saw today, I wonder if your country didn't become as bad as the enemy it is fighting. Saddam used to assassinate people who didn't think like him and by other means you are doing the same to Obama and the people who support him. You may tell me that I don't have a say in your politics but let me remind you that when a country like yours, armed like yours with the leadership yours has right now and the hate you have for AN AMERICAN who wants to give back dignity and leadership to the USA and it's place in the rest of the world. I have the right to be scared an voice my oppinion. I too come from a free world.

    • 33 votes
    #1.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
    A Man WatchingDeleted
    Jegossett

    Actually to make it a better, they should have done a before and after. The before being the Obama's being mild mannered Christian church going folks then the after like it is already drawn.
    BTW where are the mounted heads of people thrown under the bus?

    • 12 votes
    #1.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
    webslinger

    one of my best friends is one of those types.......I've always known he was an idiot, but his views on Obama are so clearly influenced by the RW noise machine its sickening......I told him he needs to be better informed and instead, he brushes me off. He's not a Republican, but he just can't see past the smear about Obama wanting to talk to Hamas.....He's very pro-Isreal and that doesn't bother me because so am I, but when you buy the bull@!$%#, you get the stank.

    • 6 votes
    #1.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:59 AM EDT
    trex-138069

    Barry Blitt is a wonderful cartoonist with a deft satirical touch. Unfortunately, however, the people who most need to understand this parody are the ones who would never, ever get it, even if the word "PARODY" or "SATIRE" were printed in huge red block letters across the picture.

    • 24 votes
    #1.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
    mama-376073

    hey Globug-nobody aked you!

    • 1 vote
    #1.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
    Pfffft!

    Yes we can.......

      #1.9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
      Skal

      Obviously a rational person would see this cover for what it is, but unfortunately, many people are not rational.

      I just don't want them to dumb it down for this sad group.

      • 4 votes
      #1.10 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
      STEVE-375824

      The comments posted here supporting the ridiculously absurd cover of the New Yorker just confirms how SCARED white America is of a black man. Through out this whole campaign the media and everyone else has been hell bent on find something wrong with Senator Obama. Unable to find anything wrong the next best thing is to CREATE something wrong. You people are so stupid and so easily manipulated it's incredible. It is so amazing to me how you can so easily be brought. You believe everything you are told ( with out question), you won't do any research of your own, and worst of all you can't see past you own racism and insecurities. Go ahead and put McCain in Office and send more of our boys over sea's to DIE!!!!!

      • 9 votes
      #1.11 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
      Tom an AMERICAN

      As "shameful" as this picture may be to some, the truth sometimes hurts. Listen this is a man who is not an true patriotic AMERICAN as believed by some. Lets go over this, an AMERICAN does not have to be born in America but an AMERICAN does have to have love and devotion for one's country. Where is his devotion? He does not salute the flag (he wears a pin sometimes and sometimes not depending on what part of the country he is in, how "shameful"), he will not speak the Pledge of the Allegiance, he will not cross his heart, and yet he calls himself a AMERICAN. He does not believe in the words of his longtime pastor Mr. Wright and yet he sat there for years praising and saying hallelujah to his sermons on a weekly basis. He believes he has visited 57 states while he was campaigning; however, a true AMERICAN would know that there are only 50, no excuses. It has been said that there are 57 Islamic states, hmmmmmmm. Where was he visiting. The shame in this is that there are a lot of people out there that actually believe in his quick, smooth talking.

      • 21 votes
      #1.12 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
      Susan-320869

      What is wrong with everyone who condon'e this?? You would be screaming and outraged if someone did a satire of your family that was offensive, no matter how untrue, and pasted it on the cover of a magazine.

      This was a stupid, stupid mistake where satire was taken too far. All the hate mongers will join together on this one. What's really stupid is that Obama is not even Muslim, and would it matter? I thought that American's were voting on who they feel would make the best president of this country. Shame on us for allowing things to get so out of control.

      • 9 votes
      #1.13 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
      G. Barrett, SC

      Does McCain wear his pin everyday? He does say the Pledge...there is video of it. There are plenty of people who make the mistake as to how many states there are. If that were a test of being an American, a lot of people would fail miserably... Just look at Jay-walking with Jay Leno.

      • 3 votes
      #1.14 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
      Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

      Does McCain wear his pin everyday? He does say the Pledge...there is video of it. There are plenty of people who make the mistake as to how many states there are. If that were a test of being an American, a lot of people would fail miserably... Just look at Jay-walking with Jay Leno.

      So, ignorance's is justifiable?

      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." --Thomas Jefferson to Charles Yancey, 1816.

      • 4 votes
      #1.15 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
      M. Remmers

      It's a parody of the conceptions held by fools... It's @!$%#ing brilliant.

      • 11 votes
      #1.16 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
      _jen_

      I have trouble seeing how this cover is going to influence a lot of people. The normal Joe doesn't read the New Yorker. In fact, if the media had not covered this magazine cover so extensively, most Americans wouldn't know about it anyway. Slow news cycle, bored reporters, I guess...

      • 5 votes
      #1.17 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
      Skal

      It's a parody of the conceptions held by fools... It's @!$%#ing brilliant.

      Agreed, I think people are looking at this out of context and finding offence when there is none.

      This is a PRO Obama picture.

      • 11 votes
      #1.18 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
      Tom an AMERICAN

      You are right in the fact that alot would fail miserably and therefore we need to get back to what American was founded on and not the twisted, corrupted version of America that we have today.

      The fact is, we are voting for the President of the United States and that person should have the "job qualifications" for the position. For example, you as an employer would probable not hire someone whom has only flipped hamburgers for a living and has no qualificaions to fill an engineering position at Boeing in designing a new airplane. Thus, the person applying for the position of the President of the United States should be a TRUE and TRUE PATRIOTIC AMERICAN no matter of race, gender, or cultural background and should probably know the number of states and pledge the alegiance to the flag without peer pressure.

      • 8 votes
      #1.19 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
      trex-138069

      Tom, even if every one of your ridiculous smears were true (in fact, none of them are true), they would still be utterly trivial symbols rather than mattes of substance. We have George Bush's father to thank for this persistent idiocy, ever since he made the Pledge of Allegiance a big issue in his 1988 campaign. But isn't it far more unAmerican to send over 4000 young men and women to their deaths over a nonexistent threat? To undermine the Constitution, arrogantly ignore acts of Congress and violate the separation of powers, commit violations of federal hiring laws in order to corrupt the justice department into a partisan instrument, to commit war crimes against "detainees" that violate both American law and the Geneva convention, and on and on and on?

      • 13 votes
      #1.20 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
      G. Barrett, SC

      So, ignorance's is justifiable?

      I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that it is ridiculous to accuse someone of being un-American based on a flag pin and saying 57 states as opposed to 50. These instances are not evidence of patriotism or lack there of.

      • 3 votes
      #1.21 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
      Tom an AMERICAN

      Ok, we are talking about Obama and not the first or second George Bush. Why must all Obama supporters redirect the discussion at hand and not address the matter head on? Instead of mearly stating that I am inaccurate, please provide me with proof so that you might enlighten me.

      • 9 votes
      #1.22 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
      Skal

      Tom:

      While I disagree with most of what you said but I really apprecaite this:

      Instead of mearly stating that I am inaccurate, please provide me with proof so that you might enlighten me.

      You are absolutly right, if you're going to say someone is wrong, provide proof.

      to commit war crimes against "detainees" that violate both American law and the Geneva convention

      While this is just my opinion we can't really say they violated any laws until they've been tried in court. And I believe most people want to see the US take the hide road on this one and treat our enemy with some respect as human beings, even if in turn they would give us none back.

      If I was held as a "detainee" as they have been and I wasn't a terrorist when I went in, I certainly would be when I got out.

      • 4 votes
      #1.23 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
      Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

      Agreed, I think people are looking at this out of context and finding offence when there is none.

      If people are offended... then it is OFFENSIVE, are you guys always so Obtuse?

      LOL. Let me hit you in the face, then I'll make the same argument, it'll all be in good fun. Come on, it won't hurt, it'll be funny, after you come-to, then what side will your sense of humor be?.

      It's a matter of perspective. Polish jokes are most offensive to the Polish, you might laugh your ass off.

      • 5 votes
      #1.24 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
      Skal

      If people are offended... then it is OFFENSIVE, are you guys always so Obtuse?

      No not really, there could be, and usually is, misunderstanding.

      A punch to the face can't really be misunderstood, though it could be taken out of context.

      • 5 votes
      #1.25 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
      Bobby g.-375673

      Hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • 2 votes
      #1.26 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
      Skal

      On reflection let me twist what I've said just a bit.

      I can't really say it wasn't offencive, if you found offence then it was offencive. BUT I will say that I don't think it was meant to be, and that the New Yorker supports Obama. I believe they were trying to show how ridiculous some of the purposefully offencive things the neo-cons have been saying about Obama.

      • 3 votes
      #1.27 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
      Dharma Girl

      Tom, you are correct that it is a good practice to cite reliable authority for FACTS; unfortunately, you cannot be enlightened against your will.

      Which means you cannot be enlightened. You choose to believe things that aren't true even though the truth is readily available (it wouldn't have to be spoon-fed to you if you had any interest in the truth), presumably for the same reason most people do--because they fit your biases and comfortable stereotypes.

      Zoilus, good point. Are you suggesting that something which is offensive to some people ought not to be printed?

      May all Beings enjoy Happiness...

      • 3 votes
      #1.28 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
      iluvmyblog

      I thought if anything, this would be a "jab" at religion, not race. Can anybody tell me how race has anything to with this? If it were Bush more than likely most here wouldn't mind. I don't know but I'm going out on a limb here and say that some are being PC.

      • 6 votes
      #1.29 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
      Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

      if you found offence then it was offencive. BUT I will say that I don't think it was meant to be, and that the New Yorker supports Obama.

      Original intent is not important. "But Judge, I didn't mean it".. won't do you any good in a court of law..

        #1.30 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
        Skal

        Tom, you are correct that it is a good practice to cite reliable authority for FACTS; unfortunately, you cannot be enlightened against your will.

        Which means you cannot be enlightened. You choose to believe things that aren't true even though the truth is readily available (it wouldn't have to be spoon-fed to you if you had any interest in the truth), presumably for the same reason most people do--because they fit your biases and comfortable stereotypes.

        I don't think you're helping the situation very much. You could instead post facts and references to support them to prove he's wrong. But just telling him that he's aggressively ignorant just confirms his own thoughts and does harm to our cause. At least try before you snub your nose.

        • 1 vote
        #1.31 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
        Trish Stelten

        If the media gives this more than one day coverage which includes the cover on their web-pages, then shame on them for adding to this shamefully cover! I hope this puts the mag. out of business! What a cruel and mean thing to do to anyone! They owe a retraction and a huge apology. They should be made painfully accountable!

          #1.32 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
          Grizzfan

          I agree that this is a pretty good depiction, although full of satire. Why? The heavenly couple gave those of us who oppose them the ammunition in the first place. In the few years we have had them in our midst, we really don't know much about them; except that Barack has flipped on every single issue since the primary season. Thus we know that he as a man of convenient positions - very flexible indeed.

          • 7 votes
          #1.33 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
          Skal

          Original intent is not important.

          That's a great way to make a lot of enemies and few friends. Intent is extremely important especially when it comes to issues of misunderstanding.

          • 5 votes
          #1.34 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
          Dharma Girl

          SKAL: OUR cause?? What might that be?

          Perhaps I wasn't clear in expressing that I don't believe you can enlighten someone who doesn't want to hear or see the truth--the silly rumors and outright lies are not exactly credible to anyone who isn't determined to be ignorant.

          I'm sorry if you think that the fact that I see that in Tom, who expects be be enlightened by people he wouldn't believe if they said night follows day, will make him more aggressively ignorant. I certainly wouldn't want to contribute to that.

            #1.35 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
            Skal

            Cause would be general statement concerning the getting Obama elected. If that is not a cause you subscribe to I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were saying.

            I'm sorry you've given up on Tom, but it would be nice if you gave him the benefit of the doubt by posting direct links to source materials such as Obama speech on the whole "57 States" thingy. Which I believe was either a flub or instead he meant 57 caucuses which if you include all of the US territories would be correct. I would do this myself but my work would immediately be notified if anyone hit the web address of YouTube.

            Take the high road if you can, if Tom refuses to recant his statement even after formidable proof has been presented then move on, but I have seen anyone do that yet.

            • 1 vote
            #1.36 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
            Dharma Girl

            Skal, thank you for clarifying. I am not trying to get Obama elected. I really AM Far Left, and he offers little temptation to take to the American political arena.

            I am just home sick today, and am shamelessly indulging my childish dislike of:

            1) wilful ignorance; and

            2) people spreading false rumors and deliberate lies simply because they are at least as biased as I am. If my position could only be supported by lies, I would HAVE TO reevaluate my position. And I LOOK for the truth, not just whatever supports my personal bias.

            I am sure you are correct that I am not helping your cause, or even that I am just not helping. Perhaps I will take the high road and try to behave myself for the rest of the day. Or, perhaps not.

            Either way, I appreciated your conjecture on the "'57 States' thingy". I hadn't heard the interview or the big controversy surrounding it, but that was my hunch when I read that comment--that there was a legitimate 57 out there, somewhere, and some people were just bound and determined not to allow Obama a slip of the tongue. Even though they are the same people who can actually listen to our current President with a straight face.

            Sorry to disappoint you.

            Be well.

            • 4 votes
            #1.37 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
            Skal

            DG:

            I don't know how to comment on your response. If I did I'm sure it would be a positive one.

            Hope you get better.

              #1.38 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
              Kevin Burkholder

              He does not salute the flag

              The picture floating around of him "not saluting" while Hillary had her hand over her heart was during the Star Spangled Banner.

              Barack's response:

              "I was taught by my grandfather that you put your hand over your heart during the pledge, but during the Star Spangled Banner, you sing!"

              Link

              (he wears a pin sometimes and sometimes not depending on what part of the country he is in, how "shameful"),

              Barack's Response:

              "Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."
              ...
              "I'm less concerned with what you're wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart,"
              ...
              "You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who serve. And you show your patriotism by being true to your values and ideals. And that's what we have to lead with, our values and ideals," Obama said.

              Link
              (personally, I think it's just f'n stupid to make any kind of an issue about a freakin' pin)

              he will not speak the Pledge of the Allegiance.

              This is just a lie and stems from the first "issue".
              Link

              he will not cross his heart, and yet he calls himself a AMERICAN.

              Again, a repeat of the first issue.

              (Tom: next time, save yourself the effort and just cut and paste the junk email rather than trying to rewording it).

              He does not believe in the words of his longtime pastor Mr. Wright and yet he sat there for years praising and saying hallelujah to his sermons on a weekly basis.

              He does not agree with everything his pastor said or did. Your characterization is a little off.

              He believes he has visited 57 states while he was campaigning; however, a true AMERICAN would know that there are only 50, no excuses.

              What he said...

              I've now been in fifty ... seven states? I think one left to go.

              Given the long pause between fifty and seven and the fact that he said one left and that he did not visit Alaska and Hawaii - he meant to say forty... 47 out of 48 continental states. It's a gaffe - a meaningless one.

              It has been said that there are 57 Islamic states, hmmmmmmm. Where was he visiting.

              See above.

              The shame in this is that there are a lot of people out there that actually believe in his quick, smooth talking.

              The shame is that people believe the junk mail (and the noise makers) they get without putting an ounce of effort into verifying the facts or even applying a spec of critical thought.

              Oh, by the way, your online banking account has been hacked - Please contact me with your user name and password so that we can resolve this issue.

              • 9 votes
              #1.39 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
              Skal

              Very nicely done Kevin.

                #1.40 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:35 PM EDT
                George-295538

                Kevin...Amen!!

                Just a few more things to add to this Republican robot named Tom:

                1. No one, not Obama nor Reverend Wright said Obama sat in that Church week in and week out. In fact, both Obama and the Reverend have said he was not there when those offensive snipets were uttered, and Obama came to find out about it when it spread on You-Tube.
                2. The Reverend Wright had given over 200,000 minutes of sermons and all Tom knows is the 30 seconds looping on YouTube.
                3. The Church is actually a white denomination, with extensive history of community service. That is what atttracted Obama.
                4. So what? Who cares what these preachers say other than their congregation? I don't give a rats ass what Jesse Jackson says, Rev. Hagee, late Falwell, etc etc etc. Who cares?
                5. If you hold Obama to this standard, then I suppose every Catholic politician needs to resign because the Catholic Church condoned and covered up pedophilia. Every Catholic politician is therefore a supporter of Pedophilia? See how absurd that is Tom?
                6. Obama has been in the Illinois Senate and US Senate combined 11 years. Bush W had been a failed businessman and a politician a grand total of 5 years before Tom and his ilk voted him President, over this same John MCCain who supposedly has tons of "experience". So, Bush with 5 years was more experienced for Tom but Obama with 11 is less experienced?
                7. It is amazing how any Obama silly and inconsequential mispeak is a scarlet letter but McCain's mispeaks, which actually are related to very important matters like who is our enemy in Iraq, the economy, etc etc is brushed off by the likes of Tom. Double standard and hypocrites Tom!

                • 5 votes
                #1.41 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
                anonymous11

                Where is it that you are getting your information from? Are you directly involved with him and his campaign? Do you not believe all your junk mail when it relates to Bush? I guarantee every one of you that is using the junk email defense is a hypocrite. Because that is what you have all used (amongst other means) to trash any politician or regular Joe who does not share in your "soft socialistic government" beliefs. Do you truly believe that there is no truth at all in these depictions of Obama. Are we so willing to turn our eyes from the obvious...for what? The promise of changing this Country. He promises to change our Country...into what? Just for the fact that there is even a slight chance that his beliefs were instilled by Rev. Wright, by his completely Muslim father, by his Muslim school, and by his Che Guevara influence...just for that I would be not only leary of voting for him but adamant in finding out more about this person who is running for President of our Country! Have any of you even tried to find out what would happen to our Country's economy if he is elected? And that is just the beginning.
                May our Lord Heavenly Father bless this Country who has almost completley forgotten why it was founded in the first place.

                • 4 votes
                #1.42 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
                Skal

                May our Lord Heavenly Father bless this Country who has almost completley forgotten why it was founded in the first place.

                O you're my favorite thus far. I won't address to much of your post because of how rather... pathetic it is. And I'm glad you've chosen the name anonymous because I too would be embarrassed to post this.

                Where is it that you are getting your information from?

                He actually links directly too it. I'm going to assume we're talking about Kevin's post.

                Are you directly involved with him and his campaign?

                I doubt it these quotes are pretty publicly known.

                I guarantee every one of you that is using the junk email defense is a hypocrite.

                Nope I don't need spam to tell me GB jokes, the state of the union comes on every year.

                Do you truly believe that there is no truth at all in these depictions of Obama.

                Of course there's truth in this photo, he's black and he'll be president... but that's about it.

                Have any of you even tried to find out what would happen to our Country's economy if he is elected?

                This last June was the worst the stock market has done since the great depression. I'll take my chances.

                And that is just the beginning.

                Hopefully you're right.

                May our Lord Heavenly Father bless this Country who has almost completley forgotten why it was founded in the first place.

                He can bless it all he wants but this country will still respect the rights of everyone, Muslims included, it was those ideas that the US was founded on. And if you're about to say they weren't you've got another thing coming. You'll want to brush up on your history and remember that it was the extreme religious and the secularist that set up a system with "separation between church and state." Strange bed fellows but it worked out rather well. Essentially the country was founded to give refuge to those that needed it, not to exclude the unwanted.

                Whoops, addressed more then you deserved, my bad. Fist bump anyone?

                • 3 votes
                #1.43 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:51 PM EDT
                Darryl in Denver

                Looks Wright to me.

                • 3 votes
                #1.44 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
                anonymous11

                May our Lord Heavenly Father bless this Country who has almost completley forgotten why it was founded in the first place.
                O you're my favorite thus far. I won't address to much of your post because of how rather... pathetic it is. And I'm glad you've chosen the name anonymous because I too would be embarrassed to post this.

                Where is it that you are getting your information from?
                He actually links directly too it. I'm going to assume we're talking about Kevin's post.
                So, if the Obama "junk emails" come from "internet links" amd then circulate around...it's not reliable information?

                Are you directly involved with him and his campaign?
                I doubt it these quotes are pretty publicly known.
                Yes all the quotes are publicly known. So is his history which seems to get brushed under the carpet...

                I guarantee every one of you that is using the junk email defense is a hypocrite.
                Nope I don't need spam to tell me GB jokes, the state of the union comes on every year.
                Jokes are one thing...facts are another.

                Do you truly believe that there is no truth at all in these depictions of Obama.
                Of course there's truth in this photo, he's black and he'll be president... but that's about it.
                Obama is not Black. I wish he was.

                Have any of you even tried to find out what would happen to our Country's economy if he is elected?
                This last June was the worst the stock market has done since the great depression. I'll take my chances.
                Are you employed? Are you homeless? Are you starving by chance? Ask yourself these questions in a couple of years if Obama is elected.

                And that is just the beginning.
                Hopefully you're right.
                I actually hope you are right and that everything you think is going to happen if Obama is elected does come true. But its not.

                May our Lord Heavenly Father bless this Country who has almost completley forgotten why it was founded in the first place.
                He can bless it all he wants but this country will still respect the rights of everyone, Muslims included, it was those ideas that the US was founded on. And if you're about to say they weren't you've got another thing coming. You'll want to brush up on your history and remember that it was the extreme religious and the secularist that set up a system with "separation between church and state." Strange bed fellows but it worked out rather well. Essentially the country was founded to give refuge to those that needed it, not to exclude the unwanted.
                Yes, we do need to respect the rights of everyone. This isnt about Muslim or Black, it is about Obama being honest about it. He is hoping everyone thinks he is Black...white liberals will love that.
                Yes, we left Europe to get away from all of that...then why are we trying to elect someone who is trying to "change our country" into the "soft socialism" we ardently left so many years ago?!
                You still dont see it do you.

                • 1 vote
                #1.45 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
                Skal

                You forgot to quote my fist pump.

                And umm I think you would be hard pressed to show me "soft socialism" in Britain in 1700s. In fact socialism didn't really spring up until around mid-Communist era. Communist weren't really accepted in W. Euro at the time, and so they softened their stances and change their name to socialism to gain some sort of political purchase.

                So yes, I'm quite aware. And I'm Libertarian just so you know. I love privatization, but social freedoms more.

                • 4 votes
                #1.46 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
                Skal

                And I rather be Wright then Haggard any day of the week.

                • 2 votes
                #1.47 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
                Mystic Chick

                Remember that old adage "Any publicity is good publicity"? Sure, some people will be offended, but just think how many votes will be generated for Mr. O as a result.

                The good 'ole first amendment strikes again! I give my fist bump to the New Yorker for having the guts to throw this on their cover.

                • 2 votes
                #1.48 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
                Skal

                ya... you're right.

                I kind of wish FOX had published this instead, sure it would have had a whole different meaning, but the political back lash would have been amazing.

                  #1.49 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
                  zececai

                  Have Americans lost their sense of humor or they never had it? What's all the fuss about? It's a joke!

                    #1.50 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
                    spectreagent1962

                    The so-called satirical cover on the latest issue of your magazine is not as offensive as others says it is.. As a Black man, totally without prejudice, I got point it was trying to make, which ist that this is how the Republicans (especially those at the Fox Noise Channel) will (and is painting) panting Obama. I wish other would take a closer look at the art piece, maybe they will get it finally.

                    • 2 votes
                    #1.51 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
                    Skal

                    Thanks spectreagent1962 it's nice to see someone with a sence of humor.

                      #1.52 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
                      greengael

                      Bill Burton got it right. I find it tasteless and offensive. Shame on you New Yorker!

                        #1.53 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
                        Kathy-377818

                        This is what politics has become in this country. Appeal to the fear that lives in the minds of the less educated and let them spread the hate. Calling it satire is just an excuse for printing hate and fear, knowing you can get by with it because you are the New Yorker. I will no longer read the New Yorker. Actions have consequences. I encourage everyone to let the New Yorker suffer the consequences of their arrogance.

                          #1.54 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
                          anonymous11

                          skal
                          so you agree to giving half your check to someone who does not have any interest in working or are you on that not working end of the spectrum, the taker?

                          • 2 votes
                          #1.55 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
                          Skal

                          I assume anonymous that you're talking about the Welfare system? To answer your question no I don't like it, it's sadly broken.

                          If it helps to classify my political beliefs think of it this way I'm a Liberal Republican, or better yet just Libertarian.

                          Obama and I disagree on some things but here's the rub. I think when it comes down to it, when presented with the facts Obama is more likely to make a better decision then McCain. I don't want a Republican answer, I don't want a Democrat answer, I want the BEST answer. Between the two candidates I think Obama will be in the best position to do that.

                          Plus I don't feel like clawing my eyes out when I hear him speak... which is a plus.

                          • 4 votes
                          #1.56 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
                          hagenbear

                          I personally think that this cover is saying something. I know the media is biased and can sway peoples opinions in such matters... but honestly, if you are from this country, you should salute the flag. You should stand up for our rights. I trully believe that if you come to this country, theres a reason, and it doesnt matter if your muslim, christian, buddhist or any other religion, I trully believe you should stand behind this country and our flag. Him not saluting the flag was completely wrong and just for that he will not get my vote. I dont believe that he stands for our country or for our freedom. He is not what our country needs.

                          • 2 votes
                          #1.57 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
                          Peggy-377830

                          NO ONE DID. Bigot

                            #1.58 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
                            Skal

                            If patriotism can be swept away with a lack of hand motion, that just shows how weak our own patriotism can be.

                            • 2 votes
                            #1.59 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
                            Mike in Vegas

                            The New Yorker cover is the most accurate treatment I've yet seen in the news media about the Obamas. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been objectively paying attention to the news about these two silver-tongued America bashers.

                            • 4 votes
                            #1.60 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
                            Skal

                            Mike you're absolutely right, how did I miss it. The bin Obamas are assault rifle wielding terrorists. Thank you so much for your enlightenment, truly you are a man of THE Lord and there's only one. And by the way you bleeding heart tree humping, green skinned, flower power yippies, if you're not S. Baptist, well you my friend are going to spend eternity being butt sexed by Sadam).

                            I give, I'm now a neo-naz.. neo-conservative.

                            Dear Lord, keep Bush safe from himself, and homosexuals. Amen.

                            And goodnight.

                            • 3 votes
                            #1.61 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:26 AM EDT
                            lnorah

                            Great cover! It's about high time the media dished out the kind of stuff to the golden boy of which Hillary was the constant recipient. Plus, none of this cover is off the mark.

                              #1.62 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:49 AM EDT
                              trex-138069

                              The mark is you, Inorah. The object of the satire is people stupid enough to believe all that garbage. And that's the stated intenion of the cartoonist and the editor. They blew it, obviously, but only because people like you are even stupider than they realized.

                              • 2 votes
                              #1.63 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
                              Gingersnaps

                              And what did Obama do to Hillary again? Ah yes beat her in the primary. Oh my gosh...how appauling!

                                #1.64 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
                                _jen_

                                You mean appalling?

                                  #1.65 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
                                  RepublicanChick18

                                  i found this cover to be great. why is obama getting so worked up over this?? could it be because now the truth is out and he doesn't know how to lie to people anymore??

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #1.66 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:40 PM EDT
                                  Skal

                                  RepublicanChick18:

                                  Please provide a quote where Obama is "worked up over this." Or are you just trying to lie to people?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #1.67 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
                                  RepublicanChick18

                                  he was worked up when he stated that this cover was offensive. he told us that we can't talk about his wife, his church that he supposedly left and now he is trying to tell us that we can not have our 1st Amendment right. Works for me for evidence against him. how would i be lying to people? i am not the one who made the cover. I think this cover was completely out of satire meaning it was making fun and if he can't laugh at himself then he has a problem.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #1.68 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
                                  Skal

                                  he was worked up when he stated that this cover was offensive.

                                  he is trying to tell us that we can not have our 1st Amendment right.

                                  Those are the quotes I want. To date Obama himself has not said anything about the cover that I know of.

                                  And a man getting defensive about people attacking his wife is a pretty natural reaction, I would think, and hope McCain would do the same. He himself criticized his pastors words.

                                  I think this cover was completely out of satire meaning it was making fun

                                  We can agree on that, it was making fun of silly conservative smears (try and say those three words 5 times fast).

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #1.69 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
                                  RepublicanChick18

                                  Obama has stated that this cover is offensive. its not that he got defensive about attacks on his wife its the fact that he doesn't want us talking about her or his religion or using his middle name. No it was not making fun of conservative smears. This magazine was bringing to light what people have been talking about. Which would be Obama's religion, his wife, his middle name and the fact that he is trying to control the people in the US by not allowing AMERICAN citizens to use their right of the 1st Amendment. As long as I am an American citizen no president or government official will tell me that i have a limited 1st amendment right!!

                                    #1.70 - Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
                                    Skal

                                    You're pretty lucky then you must have been out of the country for the past eight years.

                                    I'll ask you for the third time now please quote Obama where he says:

                                    Obama has stated that this cover is offensive.

                                    Now this is rather funny:

                                    This magazine was bringing to light what people have been talking about. Which would be Obama's religion, his wife, his middle name and the fact that he is trying to control the people in the US by not allowing AMERICAN citizens to use their right of the 1st Amendment.

                                    Not only is the New Yorker and extremely liberal mag but they've actually come out and said (takes notes this is what a quote looks like) "I think the idea that the Obamas are branded as unpatriotic [let alone as terrorists] in certain sectors is preposterous. It seemed to me that depicting the concept would show it as the fear-mongering ridiculousness that it is."

                                    Barry Blitt is the guy who said such quote. He drew the cover... I think he can be qualified as the expert opinion on... the cover.

                                    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/13/barry-blitt-addresses-his_n_112432.html

                                    Just in case you're curious.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #1.71 - Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:21 AM EDT
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                                    Jack Spratt-294911

                                    I think it's a very misleading cover. Obama and Michelle wouldn't have a portrait of Bin Laden over the fire place, they'd have a photograph of Rev. Wright. So I can see why they're upset.

                                    • 20 votes
                                    Reply#2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:18 AM EDT
                                    WheresReagan2008

                                    I agree, it would be a flag of Che Guevara. Is Michelle supposed to be
                                    Jackie Brown? I thing it's "Wright-On". Sorry, I had to use the pun. Also,
                                    is that the best the Dem's can come-up with "McShame"? Really? It just
                                    makes him sound like a promo for a burger joint.

                                    • 9 votes
                                    #2.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:11 AM EDT
                                    A Man WatchingDeleted
                                    marie thomson

                                    I think it is very misleading. Michelle looks slender and shapely. In real life she's not so much!

                                    There is politics of fear which implies paranoid fear. Then there is fear that is for a reason.

                                    Obama scares me for several logical reasons and I have done real research on his associates (the Rezko/Auchi/Saddam Hussein connection; Ayers; Wright; The American Communist Party; PLO; but most of all what he did in Kenya with his cuz Odinga by supporting this man--whose son is named Fidel after Castro--whose platform included putting the country of Kenya where Obama has dual citizenship under Sharia (Muslim) law though it is 85% Christian.) Try googling "Obama Kenya Odinga" for the whole sordid story from excellent news sources or look at the NY Sun article on Jan. 11, 2008 "The Kenya Connection."

                                    • 18 votes
                                    #2.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:08 AM EDT
                                    Not fooled by distractions

                                    Independent research my ass... All you've got is talking points Marie Thompson. Nice try spammer.

                                    There is politics of fear which implies paranoid fear. Then there is fear that is for a reason.

                                    Obama scares me for several logical reasons and I have done real research on his associates (the Rezko/Auchi/Saddam Hussein connection; Ayers; Wright; The American Communist Party; PLO; but most of all what he did in Kenya with his cuz Odinga by supporting this man--whose son is named Fidel after Castro--whose platform included putting the country of Kenya where Obama has dual citizenship under Sharia (Muslim) law though it is 85% Christian.) Try googling "Obama Kenya Odinga" for the whole sordid story from excellent news sources or look at the NY Sun article on Jan. 11, 2008 "The Kenya Connection."

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #2.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
                                    trex-138069

                                    Marie: The New York Sun? ROTFLMAO! No wonder you can't get the point of Blitt's withering satire of bigots like you. By the way, I'm sure I could play "six degrees of separation" with John McCain, too, and turn up just as many disreputable names. I'd probably start with his Keating 5 associates. But it's a cheap, pointless exercise.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #2.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
                                    chazbot

                                    Right on Trex. These people need deported to New Zealand because they are all sheep.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #2.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:54 AM EDT
                                    jdtseattlewa

                                    Chazbot,
                                    I thought that was Australia? or, maybe Austria...er, perhaps Andalusia?

                                      #2.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
                                      frosty-296793

                                      Did he really think he was going to run for the Pres. of The United States of America and not get picked on. Quit your whining golden boy, cowboy up and take.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #2.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
                                      Mystic Chick

                                      Gosh, where are all the Obamanators? I'm really not seeing a lot of defense for Mr. Fantastic... Did their wifi go out or something?

                                      I wonder if GWB whines every time Frank Caliendo parodies him, especially on those DirectTV commercials.

                                      Oh no, somebody doesn't like me, somebody is likening me to a terrorist! Free speech, my man. Free speech. Get with it or hit the road.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #2.9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
                                      chazbot

                                      Do all of your political figures in California have to end with "nator" now? Ill bet y'all just don't even know what to do with a word like senator.
                                      You need to find a constitutionator to learn how to effectively reduce the ridiculous amount of times your highest court has been overturned.
                                      Get with it or we'll be forced to make this an "Escape from LA" situation.

                                      P.S., please find a way to gas all of your ridiculous celebrities while you are at it. I am tired of hearing about them.

                                        #2.10 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
                                        Reply
                                        DE Syracuse

                                        I think the cover is the real story behind Hussein and his wife.

                                        • 10 votes
                                        Reply#3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:18 AM EDT
                                        jewell800

                                        You are very ignorant. It's too bad most people like you are the reason this country is going down the toilet

                                          #3.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:17 AM EDT
                                          Michael-314361

                                          Next months cover shows Laura Bush murdering an American citizen with her car while on the way to selling dope to college roomates. The cover after that will show George partying and dancing with the Saudi royal family. Oh wait that picture is real.

                                          • 10 votes
                                          #3.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:20 AM EDT
                                          trex-138069

                                          Michael : You mean, pictures of WALKER dancing with the Saudi royals, don't you? We always refer to people by their middle names if it provides us with an opening, no matter how remote, to smear them. Walker -- like Johny Walker, a product of which we know Boy George was and probably still is extremely fond. What, he had nothing to do with choosing his middle name? Who cares? A good smear is a good smear, don't spoil it with logic.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #3.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:51 AM EDT
                                          Julie-319464

                                          No-- the next cover will show old man McCain chasing 18 year old Cindy around a buffet table, while his loyal disfigured wife ( of many years) and children watch---Oh, Wait! That one is real too!!!!!!
                                          WEll-- then maybe the next cover could show McCain's second wife, Cindy, all hopped up on drugs because she can not deal with "her role" of "her husbands role" in the KEATING 5 SCANDAL---Oh No!! That one is real too!!!
                                          Oh, well I tried.

                                          • 6 votes
                                          #3.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:54 AM EDT
                                          Trish Stelten

                                          Your use of Hussein is arrogant and ignorant to say the least. You should be ashamed of yourself! This cover is very offensive. They have the right to print want they want, however with accountability. The cover is moraly and thical so wrong! I'm actually embarressed right now to even be part of this nation! We are a mean people! Where is our humanity? Where are our posture of caring about one another? Where is our decency?

                                            #3.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
                                            anonymous11

                                            Trish Stelten
                                            You are embarrassed to be part of this Nation? Because of what? The exercise of free speech? That has made you embarrassed? Wait for a couple years after you have voted for your dear Democrat Obama...then you will have reason to be embarrassed.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #3.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
                                            frosty-296793

                                            Oh no Trish Stelten is another "not proud of this country". Yikes, I will never be embarrassed to be part of this Nation, what are these people thinkin'.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #3.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
                                            JoeGrinD

                                            People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. - Soren Kierkegaard

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #3.8 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
                                            SouthernDemDeleted
                                            Reply
                                            Benjamin Dover-355061

                                            I like it, looks to be pretty accurate IMO

                                            • 11 votes
                                            Reply#4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:20 AM EDT
                                            Chuck1968

                                            The cartoon makes fun of the very people who will believe the rumors depicted in it. Apparently that's too complex for a few who just don't understand satire. It only makes the critics who spread lies and rumors look silly.

                                            • 9 votes
                                            #4.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
                                            A Man WatchingDeleted
                                            bootsy baby

                                            why evabody so uptight?

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #4.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
                                            Dharma Girl

                                            Obama's connection to Saddam Hussein, 'Marie Thomson'? I guess the next cover can show a parody of key Bush administration officials sucking up to Saddam Hussein for years before they decided it was imperative to topple his evil regime.

                                            Oh, wait, THAT's 100% real...including pictures of them doing so on state occasions.

                                            ...and you know what that means. Unless you are young or don't pay taxes, YOU have a major connection to Saddam Hussein, Marie Thomson. Our tax dollars went over there to support him for years after the Iranians booted our good buddy (and dictator) the Shah. We sold and gave him material for chemical weapons, too--one of the reasons REASONABLE people considered that he MIGHT have them. Guess YOU won't be running for any office with that kind of disreputable past...you should be ashamed. Me, too. (This paragraph starts with actual facts, and wanders off into sarcasm at "Guess", for those who need a hint.)

                                            I think enough people have posted just on here to make the point that no matter how silly a rumor or outright lie is, there are people who have a stake in believing it, propagating it, and covering their eyes and ears when the truth is spoken instead. They are loving the cover, and have no idea it is basically ridiculing them. Not sure who that joke is on, in the long run...IS it "dumbing down" to keep them in mind when printing satirical images. Or, is it a prudent caution...? Sometimes the answer isn't just bl...oh, wait, I'd better not go THERE.

                                            May all Beings enjoy Happiness; May all Beings be free of suffering. (Including dumb beasts, including ignorant humans.)

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #4.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
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                                            Grumpy Grouchy Old Coot

                                            So when it happens to Republicans, it's hilarious satire. When it happens to the left's golden boy, it's tasteless. I understand now.

                                            But I do think it's offensive to Muslims and terrorists. I mean, even they have standards, you know?

                                            I think I'll go buy a copy of the New Yorker.

                                            • 17 votes
                                            Reply#5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:21 AM EDT
                                            Linda C Strain

                                            I would have it just as offensive and been every bit as strident. There is NO excuse for this type of thing. This ISN'T junior high school!

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #5.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:20 AM EDT
                                            Amy-375797

                                            Offensive to terrorists? Are you saying that being drawn as a hateful terrorist is better than being drawn African American? Shows how ignorant and unintelligent you are if that's the case.

                                            This very well could have been viewed as hilarious satire but this was not intended to be and we all see that that's why it has caused an uproar. If it was done tastefully it'd be just like the rest.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #5.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
                                            Lemming Jihad

                                            I am willing to bet that this is nothing more than Obama's (The Spineless Weather Vane) attempt to get the Mexican-American vote by portraying his wife as a Zapatista fighter.

                                            Obama has dressed up in Muslim Goat Herder Chic before, used to refuse to wear a flag pin and when the heat was on he became "Patriotic."

                                            What can we expect when the quality of the candidates on both sides leaves so much to be desired.

                                            • 7 votes
                                            #5.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:49 AM EDT
                                            mama-376073

                                            when has something like this EVER happened to McCain? When has he been the victim of racial bigotry? This type of cover is offensive to everyone, to me and to the relatives of the famlies who have lost family members and friends to this war and to 911. I thought as one of the richest countries in the world we would already be past all this racism and hate. Who cares if he's muslim (thousands in this country are muslim!) who cares if he's black! This country was was founded on the premise that all humans are created equal. Does the fact that he is black make him a terrorist? NO!!!!!!!!!

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #5.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
                                            Vector

                                            I think Mccain knows all about racial bigotry; he was a pow in Vietnam. Who cares if he's black? I think Obama cares if he is black because judging by past comments he seems to identify more with blacks. People in this country will probably never get past racism, that goes for blacks, whites, and everyone else. Who cares if he's muslim? This country was indeed founded on the premise that all humans are created equal, but Islam was not.

                                              #5.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:37 PM EDT
                                              anonymous11

                                              Agreed Steve.

                                              Obama cares...he makes it a point to bring up race when he campaigns. He has brought this upon himself.

                                                #5.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
                                                Chuck1968

                                                "I think Obama cares if he is black because judging by past comments he seems to identify more with blacks."

                                                Really, How? By bluntly speaking out about the huge number of fatherless African-American families?

                                                  #5.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
                                                  anonymous11

                                                  Why are there fatherless African-American families?

                                                    #5.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
                                                    Mystic Chick

                                                    Linda - "This ISN'T junior high school!"

                                                    You HAVE to realize that many people, including politicians, never mentally develop beyond the age of 13. Just count yourself lucky that you're a grownup.

                                                    Mama376073 -

                                                    You honestly thought that we would have grown beyond racism and hate? I live in California, one of the most liberal states in the union, and I'm scared to death to let my neighbors know I'm a Jew. Racism is EVERYWHERE. You said "This country was founded on the premise that all humans are created equal." Go back and take a US history course. Women were certainly not equal, people of color were certainly not equal. Who does that leave? White men. Racism is a long standing tradition in the modern world. Old habits are the hardest ones to break. Racism is no exception.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #5.9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
                                                    Mystic Chick

                                                    Chuck1968, to be fair, there are plenty of fatherless white families too. My Ex is a deadbeat dad and he's lily white. Personally, I think Obama should put out a call to ALL fathers to take responsibility, not just to black fathers.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #5.10 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
                                                    anonymous11

                                                    But he is not campaigning for whites... they can take care of themselves. They live the good life as the majority. Yeah, tell that to any white person that ever tries to get any kind of financial aid or any job that has not met their equal hiring status.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #5.11 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
                                                    Lemming Jihad

                                                    "This type of cover is offensive to everyone, to me and to the relatives of the families who have lost family members and friends to this war and to 911."

                                                    Let's face it, the tobacco industry kills more people in one year than the 911 attacks did.
                                                    We live in fear of the boogieman and yet no other attacks have occurred since the Anthrax scares which allowed our distinguished Congress to pass the Patriot Act unread.

                                                    We have given up our liberties and allowed unchecked spending to threaten our country's economy thus making your average American a wage serf. Let us focus on a balanced and equitable distribution of wealth, healthcare reform, universal education and bringing back our valiant troops unharmed. Our national security is jeopardized by the foreign manufacture of generic drugs as well as our perceived dependence on foreign oil. The majority of our oil comes from Latin America and our own soil NOT the Middle East. Europe, Japan, China and India get their oil from the Middle East.

                                                    Why is it that the Scandinavian countries have a lower unemployment level than us? The U.S. is broke. We pretend that we are so rich and yet we can not rebuild or recover from disasters. How rich is a country where children go hungry and people have to choose between medicine, heat or food?

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #5.12 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
                                                    SouthernDemDeleted
                                                    Reply
                                                    DE Syracuse

                                                    A picture is worth a thousand words.

                                                    • 8 votes
                                                    Reply#6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
                                                    Republicans R Thieves

                                                    Then it should be fair to include a pic of McShame hand on the red button as soon as he forgets what its there for or have his wife with a needle hanging from her arm?

                                                    • 5 votes
                                                    #6.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:04 AM EDT
                                                    Janice-357919

                                                    You need to get some therapy this comment leans toward sick !!!

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #6.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:21 AM EDT
                                                    George-295538

                                                    Why Janice? It is trye that she had a drug problem. That is documented. it is true that mcCain forgets. That is documented. it is true that mcCain dumped his sick wife to go out with a hot young rich blonde named Cindy. That is true. So why is that sick but the Obama cartoons are proper?

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #6.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
                                                    trex-138069

                                                    DE: But do you know what the thousand words are? Blitt's big problem here is that he set out to ridicule the smears that are circulating about Obama, but did it in a way that was too easy to misunderstand as supporting those smears. My husband is in a snit about this, calling it a massive friendly-fire casualty, and I'm afraid he may be right.

                                                      #6.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
                                                      SouthernDemDeleted
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                                                      Bill-339279

                                                      Sick perverted individuals....ALL of them, including the politicians!

                                                        Reply#7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
                                                        Bill-339279

                                                        Sick and perverted....ALL of them, The Democrats, The Republicans, and the media!
                                                        I'd rather see a caricature of Ross Perot!

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        Reply#8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:25 AM EDT
                                                        martvol

                                                        Yes the pesky Ross. If not for him Clinton wouldn't have got in the White house and we wouldn't have the mess we are in now.

                                                        • 4 votes
                                                        #8.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
                                                        Red Hawk

                                                        What mess is that martvol? The situtation in Afghanistan and Iraq is because of Reagan, Bush41 and idiotBush43.

                                                        • 5 votes
                                                        #8.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:11 AM EDT
                                                        martvol

                                                        Bush 41 promised help if Iraq citizen would revolt against Saddam. In 95 they started and Mr. Play'n with an Intern botched it. never helped and the revolters got gased. That mess. Thats the moment of truth and your boy blew it.

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        #8.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:23 AM EDT
                                                        jones-n-fl

                                                        You are kidding, martvol? You don't remember the Iraqi revolt of 1991 ... they thought Bush would help them and had encouraged them? Nope, sorry, wasn't the US policy to get that involved. Mass executions followed.

                                                        • 5 votes
                                                        #8.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
                                                        Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

                                                        Yes it made me sick, it was worse then the the Bay of Pigs...

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        #8.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
                                                        DontBeASheep-375917

                                                        Lets not forget that the media was going crazy with images of the "highway of death" in 1991 and basically screaming at Bush "enough is enough!"

                                                        One more thing, I wonder if Obama found it equally offensive that their was a satirical cartoon on TV - Lil Bush - that made wicked fun of the Bush administration while Bush was still president? What's the difference. Oh yeah I forgot, conservatives and Christians are fair game but the pure as driven snow. sanctimonious liberals can't be touched.

                                                          #8.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
                                                          Kevin Burkholder

                                                          martvol

                                                          Bush 41 promised help if Iraq citizen would revolt against Saddam. In 95 they started and Mr. Play'n with an Intern botched it. never helped and the revolters got gased. That mess. Thats the moment of truth and your boy blew it.

                                                          You're right ... except it was 1991 and it wasn't an intern, she was a diplomat and lobbyist.
                                                          (link)

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          #8.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:49 PM EDT
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                                                          Frank-68Deleted
                                                          Dean Carlson

                                                          I love it, however, I'm sure Jessie Jackson probably had something to do with it! Shame on you, you crazy guy, you.

                                                          • 4 votes
                                                          Reply#10 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:27 AM EDT
                                                          A Man WatchingDeleted
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                                                          bramble

                                                          Because there are too many ignorant people in the world who can merely see the obvious and have no understanding of exactly what satire is, I have to agree that the cover is, if not tasteless, then at least ill-thought-out and even perhaps dangerous, in that it helps to spread malicious misconceptions and disinformation.

                                                          • 4 votes
                                                          Reply#11 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:27 AM EDT
                                                          Larry in Ohio

                                                          Bramble,

                                                          I totally agree with your comments. This is the most absurd and offensive thing the New Yorker could have done. The media has a responsibility to be fair and objective. This is not satire, I view it as propaganda and playing on the fears of the American people. What a shame! This is another meaningless distraction that will keep us from focusing on the real issues, and people wonder why this country is in the mess that it is in now.

                                                          Six weeks ago, I was extremely proud that history was made when Mr. Obama secured the Democratic Nomination. I felt a that together Black, White, Asian, Hispanic whatever the race that together we as Americans could rebuild this country and repair the damage that has been done over the last eight years. Now, I'm not so sure. God help us all! I hope ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC and the rest of the media outlets denounce this because this is not funny at all.

                                                          • 6 votes
                                                          #11.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:43 AM EDT
                                                          James-375688

                                                          So then, Bramble, perhaps you think that "New Yorker" should have self-censored themselves? But, does not the Left believe that self-censorship is wrong? Does not your view violate the rights of all Americans to the First Amendment? Or does the first Amendment only apply to Leftists? Perhaps The Party's Ministry of Truth should have seen it first to decide upon its release? Yes, that would have been Double Plus Good.

                                                          • 6 votes
                                                          #11.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:55 AM EDT
                                                          CM-375699

                                                          Larry and Bramble, thanks so much for your comments. It is very distressing, hurtful and hateful to keep seeing and hearing the brutally negative comments about Senator and Mrs. Obama. What it brings to light for me, is the fact that racism and hatred towards Blacks is very much alive and well in this country and that is truly very very sad. It is my hope that if he is elected he and his family will be safe and that he will be able to bring about the changes that are sorely needed in this country. I am so very glad that I was not raised to view those different from me as inferior. I love you unconditionally; if you hurt me though, I will continue to love you from a distance. I will not hurt you in word or deed. I am shocked at our country and even more shocked at THE NEW YORKER. I will never ever purchase their magazine. I AM TRULY HURTING BEHIND THEIR DECISION TO STOOP SO LOW.

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          #11.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:59 AM EDT
                                                          Jim Johnson-243145Deleted
                                                          Ryan-339660

                                                          If this was done the President Bush you would have loved it. But it's Obama so it's below the belt. Obama has been getting a free ride from the major news networks, and this makes up for it.

                                                          Also, you mention that ignorant voter. What about all the ignorant voters Obama is getting because he is the "Cool" candidate. But have no idea of where he stands on anything.

                                                          • 14 votes
                                                          #11.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:09 AM EDT
                                                          DugK

                                                          Bramble,
                                                          Your comments about the people of the world being too ignorant to understand satire seem to me to fit right in with the elitist label that has been attached to Obama himself. Comments like this can tell us a good deal about how most liberal thinkers tend to view their fellow man.

                                                            #11.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:15 AM EDT
                                                            WheresReagan2008

                                                            (I hope ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC and the rest of the media outlets denounce this because this is not funny at all. ) I'm sure they will. I also think that they'll keep on with their continuous satire of the Republican officials, like they've been doing for years. It's a little one-sided when you're the only ones "allowed" to do this. Man, don't let anyone talk about your little "Golden-Boy". If you're going to dish-it, you'll have to be able to take it too. Just like they teach in grade school.

                                                            • 8 votes
                                                            #11.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
                                                            sick of it 29

                                                            In regards to the "fair and objective" comment:

                                                            The NEWS is required to be fair and objective. (Fox obviously isn't) neither is CNN and the New Yorker is a magazine , which you as an american can CHOOSE to buy. It is expresses their point of view the same way the washington post is leftist and washington times is right extreme. It's called free speach. Something that this country is predicated on. You all sound like bush, "my way or the highway" Without opposing viewpoints where would be China? Behind the Iron Curtain? Get real. If it offends you don't buy it. Obviously you are intellegent to understand satire, so take it for what it is. I think its pretty clever, its opened up a debate on the common misconceptions about a pretty confusing candidate if you ask me. He's a better flip flopper than Kerry or Hillary were. Obama preaches a message of change yet does politics as usual the closer the election gets. this is one tech-savvy 20 something who is not sold on his rhetoric. But since mccain is older than chocolate chip cookies i guess i have no choice.

                                                            • 4 votes
                                                            #11.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
                                                            Gingersnaps

                                                            Maybe they should of had a disclaimer at the bottom.

                                                            • 1 vote
                                                            #11.9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
                                                            anghiari

                                                            Sick of it29...kid, you may be tech-smart....but based on your conversation, you are hardly tech-savvy. The New Yorker cover is too smug to be representational of anything other than overarching arrogance. The fact that you would with a straight face use the term "flip flopper" is scary. Obama does not do politics as usual, however, he is trying to be inclusive (to all groups) and to think through the issues and be honest. George Bush sent American soldiers to Iraq to die and to this day, has not changed his mind. He must serve as a role model for you. Not sold on Obama's rhetoric?... hey techie, hate to burst your bubble, but all any candidate gets to do in an election campaign is offer up their ideas ...before an election these guys do not have the authority or power to do anything but talk! You have a choice...make it an informed one!

                                                              #11.10 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:15 PM EDT
                                                              Desertgirl

                                                              US political candidates have always been subjected to political satire, why should Obama be treated any differently?

                                                              The fact that this cover even exists and the fact that this board contains both criticism and support for the cover should offer some proof to the strength of our First Amendment. What could be more AMERICAN than that?

                                                              • 4 votes
                                                              #11.11 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
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                                                              Sandra-375631

                                                              At last, somebody got it right! Obama is a closet Muslim--and no insult to Muslims who are good people and citizens, but I think he's got the capacity to overthrow this government if he wants to. And Michelle is a nasty, unkind person who makes millions thanks to this country and then she insults the country.
                                                              Obama's comments about middle class people who work hard for themselves and this county is unconscionable. We of the middle class who worked hard to get college and graduate degrees and now serve our communities to help families and children are offended by his elitist attitude. And this from a man who has served only 143 days in the senate. When was the last time he went to the Senate to do his job?
                                                              So, you go New Yorker, keep telling it like it is.

                                                              • 9 votes
                                                              #12 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:28 AM EDT
                                                              thisisnotamerica1Deleted
                                                              John-330577

                                                              Your all sick people, Obama loves his country and probably one of the best in history, to try and bring america back.
                                                              You want the country to DIE, get McCain in, you will all deserve it, then i will have the last laugh, as he has an 85% approval rating here in Europe

                                                                #12.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:48 AM EDT
                                                                John-330577

                                                                Your all sick people, Obama loves his country and probably one of the best in history, to try and bring america back.
                                                                You want the country to DIE, get McCain in, you will all deserve it, then i will have the last laugh, as he has an 85% approval rating here in Europe

                                                                • 5 votes
                                                                #12.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
                                                                Republicans R Thieves

                                                                Sandra, I know you don't read much, but please go check McNutballs attendance as well as his missed votes in the senate, before you type anything else, please.

                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                #12.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:52 AM EDT
                                                                Jim Johnson-243145Deleted
                                                                Republicans R Thieves

                                                                Jim tell us how McNutty loves his country, because he was in the military, oh please, his daddy and granddaddy were in the military what else was this dummy going to be in life. He was at the bottom of his class, he crashed planes as if they were toys. He wasn't a POW, he was an idiot who crashed another plane in another country and was arrested-he's a jailbird.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #12.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:08 AM EDT
                                                                thisisnotamerica1Deleted
                                                                Ryan-339660

                                                                Wow, Republicans R Thieves did you learn all that hate from Obama or his wife?

                                                                • 5 votes
                                                                #12.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:13 AM EDT
                                                                WheresReagan2008

                                                                Sandra, I couln't agree with you more. But to add to your comment.
                                                                Obama IS a muslim. He was born under a Muslim father and given a
                                                                muslim name. According to Sharia Law, you cannot convert away from
                                                                Islam. This is an offense that is punishable by death. It is observed all
                                                                around the world but actually carried-out in the Middle East. How will
                                                                Obama delegate with Muslims, without preconditions mind you, when they see him as a denier and prefer to have him decapitated? I see a
                                                                BIG problem with that. Maybe since he sees himself as a celebrity, he
                                                                will get a pass........I don't think so. This is also why he stated there were 57 states by
                                                                mistake. There are actually 57 Muslim countries around the world. I guess it was a
                                                                simple mistake, right?

                                                                • 7 votes
                                                                #12.9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
                                                                Gingersnaps

                                                                You sound like a gang leader. You can't get out you can only die out.

                                                                  #12.10 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
                                                                  WheresReagan2008

                                                                  Gingersnaps, I suggest you google "Sharia Law" and "conversion". I'm
                                                                  only telling you about THEIR law, not promoting it. I myself believe that
                                                                  gangs are for nobodies that cannot act or think on their own. They are
                                                                  only powerful in numbers, but feeble nothings alone. Sorry for the
                                                                  misconception. Please don't confuse THEIR law with my beliefs. But fact
                                                                  is fact. For anyone to say that he is not Muslim is wrong. He is in fact
                                                                  Muslim by birth. Just like his dual citizenship with Kenya, you cannot
                                                                  deny yourself out.

                                                                  • 4 votes
                                                                  #12.11 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
                                                                  Tiger 1990

                                                                  Placing your hand over your heart doesn't determine your love for this country. Paying taxes, living a humane and productive life, helping your neighbor and community maintain a happy life is showing love for your country. The country encompasses all of the citizens and respecting them as citizens. That means they are allowed to express their feelings for this country as they see fit. We must still respect them as citizens. Simply abiding by the rules of the bible or God's law is showing love for this country.

                                                                  I have seen documentaries where KKK members professing their love for this country yet they would readily lynch a black man. What about those who would rather segregate their children by sending them to private schools and fight to the death to avoid paying taxes to make public schools better for those who have no choice but to send their children to public schools( How do you love a country that can't properly educate their children?).

                                                                  Don't question Obama's love for this country. Especially if you are not a Black citizenYou have no idea what his life has been like nor what he has had to endure. We all know that a black man has to endure little extra in this great country so when they say they love it you know it's got to be true.

                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                  #12.12 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
                                                                  Gingersnaps

                                                                  WheresReagan2008

                                                                  I just don't understand how a person can be held to religious beliefs of a father who left him regardless of the laws that has been handed down. Some might say in Christianity that women were put on this earth to serve man. I don't believe this since there are alot of books omitted from the bible, changed, and misinterpreted. If a person say they are one way and led their life accordingly, why can't we take his word for it and not some doctine created back when Moses divided the Red Sea? My religion, I read, do not believe in wearing unnecessary jewelry (meaning jewelry other than a wedding ring). So if a lot of people went to their church and read the bylaws governing, they would be illuminated to all of the laws inacted by the church they are ignorant about.

                                                                    #12.13 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
                                                                    WheresReagan2008

                                                                    Tiger1990,
                                                                    Well that's it isn't it. The common double-standard of our age. You
                                                                    aren't black, so you cannot criticize a black man, you aren't black
                                                                    so you cannot call a black person n*ggar, you cannot have a White
                                                                    Expo or your racist, but you can definitely have a Black Expo and
                                                                    that's alright. Paying taxes are your civic duty, not to show patriotism.
                                                                    Living by God's rules is what this country was supposed to be based on,
                                                                    but now the Liberals are taking everything God out of everything. The
                                                                    crucial learning years for children is in the elementary school level,
                                                                    where it is now illegal, in some cases, to say the Pledge. So don't lecture
                                                                    me on living by the laws of God when I fight to keep His words in schools.
                                                                    And to end, placing your child into private schools isn't for segregation. It
                                                                    is for an actual education and college prep.. Have you seen the stat's for
                                                                    public schools these days. I encourage everyone to get a second job, if
                                                                    necessary, to get this education for your children. They'll have a better
                                                                    chance to get to college if you do so.

                                                                    • 3 votes
                                                                    #12.14 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
                                                                    WheresReagan2008

                                                                    Gingersnaps,
                                                                    The laws that you don't agree with are the laws of a archaic race
                                                                    who only believe their laws and all other "lesser" faiths or laws are
                                                                    ignored. I don't see how their laws are even observed in the world.
                                                                    I'm simply stating Obama, by Islamic law is still a Muslim, agree with
                                                                    it or not. Since I only read the King James 1611 Bible, I to don't agree
                                                                    with all of the "rewrites" by man. My God gave me specific guidelines
                                                                    to live by, and I do. Should Obama be able to leave this demonic religion,
                                                                    yes. But that is not up for me to decide.

                                                                    • 2 votes
                                                                    #12.15 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
                                                                    Gingersnaps

                                                                    Maybe it's hard for us Blacks to understand how Whites feel about Black Expos and Historically Black Colleges and the like. I just know these are institutions created because Whites did not allow us to go to their colleges, churches, clubs, and etc. They are name as such so that Blacks know that this institution has my interest. I didn't go to a Historically Black College because I don't feel that America is one color, but I do agree with their existence. BET is around because mainstream TV have not created shows (other than the Cosby Show and A Different World) where Blacks are regular characters. I could not get into Friends (but I loved 90210 and still watch the reruns). SO what do we do now, because there are latino oriented institutions which are named accordingly. Most minority groups have their own Expos and churches. What about LIFETIME television for women? They wanted to distinguish themself from the White male institution who segregated themselves from the rest of America.

                                                                      #12.16 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
                                                                      Desertgirl

                                                                      When did Sharia law become the law of THIS land or any of its states? To suggest that other rules apply to Obama (or any one for that matter) because of his father's country of origin or his father's religion completely contradicts everything this country stands for

                                                                      Each of us gets to choose who we want to be, including the religion we practice, our political beliefs, what we want to be when "we grow up"....

                                                                      And we are free to change our minds about all these things and choose a new "dream" for ourselves.

                                                                      THAT is the promise of America.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #12.17 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:23 PM EDT
                                                                      American Lobo

                                                                      WheresReagan2008:
                                                                      You are obviously very confused about why this country was founded or you are full of sh*t. Take your pick.

                                                                      You said: "Living by God's rules is what this country was supposed to be based on".

                                                                      This country was founded to give people the right and option to believe in whatever religion they feel is best for them and to guarantee certain liberties. It wasn't founded to indoctrinate our citizens and children into the Christian religion.

                                                                      If you want education to have religious overtones/influence then schools should teach about ALL religions and faiths, not just Christianity.

                                                                      You just want this country to follow the rules YOU follow.

                                                                      Pledging allegiance to a flag or country could be considered a sin in the eyes of God/Jesus.

                                                                      Jesus never spoke to anyone about God siding with any politics or governments of man.

                                                                      It's funny how most so called "Christians", act the opposite of Jesus' teachings.

                                                                        #12.18 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
                                                                        WheresReagan2008

                                                                        Gingersnaps,
                                                                        I agree with you totally about the programming for blacks.
                                                                        I also agree that the Cosby Show was one of the best family
                                                                        shows in history, for blacks, whites and all races. It was the
                                                                        message given during it. Me and my family still watch the
                                                                        reruns. I also dislike the way that the black person is depicted
                                                                        in TV/movies. They are always thugs, drug dealers, murderers
                                                                        etc...The only blacks I've ever know were well-educated upstanding
                                                                        citizens that had heavy activity in their church. So I don't know
                                                                        personally of the TV/Movie persona. Hold the course, we'll eventually
                                                                        get there. And about the Expos and such. I agree they are helpful
                                                                        for anyone. I just don't agree with the segregation that follows them.
                                                                        One of my white friends was out of a job during one and went to its
                                                                        job placement seminar just to be mocked and sent away from the
                                                                        job recruiters. This was entirely different from the message in the
                                                                        flyers saying "welcome to all". This is my only experience with it and
                                                                        my opinions are based on that bigotry. How about we start one and
                                                                        take-off the labels and just call it "Citizens Expo" or something. That
                                                                        way everyone can benefit.

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        #12.19 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:20 AM EDT
                                                                        WheresReagan2008

                                                                        Desertgirl,
                                                                        I didn't say that Sharia Law is the law of THIS land. I stated that
                                                                        it was observed around the world. Read carefully and don't get
                                                                        ahead of yourself. The point that I was making was that since it
                                                                        is observed around the world, research by googleing it, it will be
                                                                        hard for someone who is considered, around the world, to still be
                                                                        a Muslim to be taken seriously. I feel it's a threat to our country.
                                                                        If Obama thinks he'll talk to Muslim countries and actually not be
                                                                        taken into custody to be beheaded, he's gravely mistaken. Again,
                                                                        the "American Dream" only happens in America. Our freedom of
                                                                        choosing to convert from Islam to Christianity only is noticed in
                                                                        America. Again, you can research all of the cases, including Britain,
                                                                        where conversions were denied due to Sharia Law. All you have to
                                                                        do is research a little. Just like Republicans are doing with Obama.
                                                                        Remember, your credentials have to be tight for an IT job, I think
                                                                        they have to be completely tight for the highest position in the world.

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        #12.20 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
                                                                        WheresReagan2008

                                                                        American Lobo,
                                                                        Yes, sometimes I am full of sh*t, but that is usually when I'm
                                                                        describing the fish I caught. I have exhausted myself trying to
                                                                        show Atheists all of the original documents and constitutional
                                                                        paperwork during the creation of this great country that states
                                                                        or mentions God, the creator, etc....The point I was making
                                                                        was that the rules of God, the 10 Commandments are a basis
                                                                        of moral rooting in our country. That's why they were placed on
                                                                        a majority of our courthouses in this country. Well, that's until
                                                                        Liberal Judges decided that we don't need moral foundations and
                                                                        should just wing-it by taking them down. It doesn't matter if you
                                                                        are a "believer" or not. You have to agree that the 10 Commandments
                                                                        are a measure of someone's moral foundation. Should you kill, NO,
                                                                        should you commit adultery, NO....well unless you're a president that
                                                                        likes saxophones and cigars....then you're above morals, right? I guess
                                                                        you think that since you have all of these freedoms in America, you
                                                                        should also be given the right to kill someone, i.e. abortion if you choose?
                                                                        This is a direct ascent from moral standards in this country. I hope you
                                                                        Lib's are happy about your decisions. And saying the Pledge of Allegiance
                                                                        is not a sin....One nation UNDER God, not ABOVE or EQUAL to Him. Don't
                                                                        get confused. We are pledging allegiance to the flag, a symbol of a country
                                                                        that was supposed to be created to serve UNDER GOD and do His bidding.
                                                                        Or I guess all the the silliness of the "IN GOD WE TRUST" was just a cute
                                                                        slogan of the time, right?

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        #12.21 - Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:43 AM EDT
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                                                                        Hotflash1028

                                                                        I love it also!!! Maybe now those Americans who keep thinking he is going to save us will open their eyes to what he really is. Think I will buy a copy of the New Yorker for the first time in my life...
                                                                        Way to go!!!!!

                                                                        • 8 votes
                                                                        Reply#13 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:28 AM EDT
                                                                        Republicans R Thieves

                                                                        Please buy a copy for me also, because in a minute you will be burning it to put in your gas tank.

                                                                        • 1 vote
                                                                        #13.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
                                                                        Jim Johnson-243145Deleted
                                                                        Deep Thought-327110

                                                                        I couldn't have said it better myself. You just saved me alot of typing. lol.

                                                                        So true, thanks for putting it out here... at least the intellegent readers will be informed.

                                                                        • 4 votes
                                                                        #13.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
                                                                        Dan Hallo, aka, ZoilusDeleted
                                                                        Matt-375862Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                                        Don't be an idiot. Every elementary school-aged kid has been taught, "Oil is not renewable, we will run out of it." Dry hole after dry hole? Maybe that's a hint that we waited TOO LONG to create alternatives. Do you realize that oil has been cheap because it is foreign workers who have been doing most of the work? Just like clothes and other products made in China, Mexico, etc., the labor is cheap there! If we start drilling here, it will not drop prices! American workers will demand more money, and the oil companies will make the consumers pay for it. Do you realize how cheap it would be to run off of hydrogen? Or if all our plants were wind, solar and nuclear--they're now able to reuse nuclear waste as a second energy source--how efficiently we'd be producing energy? These are not new ideas! They are here, and we can implement many of them now! Europe is already using them, and even in South America, which has much less capital, so complaining about the costs of infrastructure are bogus! It is so sad that as Americans, who have so many educational resources, we are by and large the most ignorant group of people on this planet. Ask any non-petroleum engineer (because their careers depend on us using oil) what we should be doing, and they would agree. Stop listening to political science majors and your equally clueless neighbors, and get the facts straight!

                                                                        And is it just me, or did no one notice that the actual article had nothing to do with the SATIRICAL cartoon?

                                                                        • 6 votes
                                                                        #13.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
                                                                        Jack-375934

                                                                        Jim Johnson

                                                                        Yours skills of uncovering the truth of things is rather laking. For one, if OPEC can't handle losing the US as a customer they would have caved to Bush in his visit and decided to pump more oil. You fail to recognize the emerging markets for oil of China and India. With in a few years they will out pace the American Consumption requirements of oil and thus simply make our request for more oil irrelevant and useless. Why cave to American demands when I know I can sell the equilavent goods to another country.

                                                                        As for Policy on gas prices, again another misconception on your part. Do you understand the economic impact the loss of Iraqi oil due to an unwarranted war has had on the Oil markets. Opec has already stated that loss of 5 to 8 million barrels a day has been very hard to make up on their part. The fact that the first 3 years of this excursion, Iraq pumped no oil from its fields. That is 3 years of oil loss, and the elasticity of the market took that long to feel the impact. This excursions has simply pushed the contraints of the Oil market to the limit and it was just a matter of time before it collaped.

                                                                        Secondly, the collapse of the housing market, again a concept in which Americans believed their house as a investment first and foremost rather than a residence, has lead large firms who used these risky mortgages as a trading commodity on the market to earn a profits on the potential of mortgages being paid off. this has lead to high oil prices as well. The Bush Sr presidency created the loop hole that allows these large firms to trade energy stocks as if they were a commodity for profit, it is known as the Enron Loop hole. The housing market collapse has forced these firms to move into commodities to cover their losses in the housing market. Speculation of loss of supply by stories of disruption, that hasn't occurred by the way, has also driven up the oil prices, not congress.

                                                                        So as you see Jim, as a person who prescribes to neither party or the rhetoric they spew, I research and learn for myself instead of following what others tell me to do. Their are more than 2 sides to every story, it is up to you to become an informed American learn. Do not follow for the sake of the easy path, carve your own path, it's what this country was founded on.

                                                                        • 3 votes
                                                                        #13.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
                                                                        marie thomson

                                                                        Not so. There is more oil under Colorado/Utah than in Saudi. It is shale and requires immediate research to make it more affordable. There are also pools in those states with a few rigs (I'm from there). Montana, Dakotas, Wyoming also have huge deposits. Clinton wouldn't sign the energy bill to drill there and on the continental shelves there is much much more!

                                                                        It is the left keeping us from drilling on some supposed environmental ruse that keeps us oil dependent on terrorists. Could there be a hidden agenda here? Hmmmm.

                                                                        ANWR is an emergency reserve for military purposes. I personally think it should be left as such since there is so much more that can be drilled while keeping our national reserve.

                                                                        One more important thing. Most of the oil reserves (huge) in the US are on land that belongs to the USA. That means us, you guys. It is my belief that the oil under these lands belongs to and in the United States just like National Parks belong to all of us.

                                                                        I PROPOSE THAT THE GOVERNMENT, INSTEAD OF LEASING OUR COMMON LANDS TO THE BIG OIL COMPANIES, CONTRACTS WITH THEM OR SMALLER AND HUNGRIER COMPANIES TO PRODUCE OIL EFFICIENTLY AND WITH ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS IN MIND JUST FOR US USE! YUP, NO SELLING OUR NATIONAL ASSETS BELONGING TO US CITIZENS TO CHINA AND OTHER COUNTRIES. RESERVE IT FOR THE US ONLY SO WE ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT AND NO LONGER PAYING TERRORISTS FOR THEIR OIL.

                                                                        US Oil for US citizens. Also, I note that Obama keeps saying we shouldn't drill because it won't immediately alleviate the situation. Seven years he says before we would see a drop. Are we that slow and incompetent? Saudi announced last week that they have a new oil field they are starting to work on and it will be producing in 2 years. It takes the Saudi's 2 and us 7 what????

                                                                        Drill here! Drill now!! Keep US OIL for US Citizens. We collectively own it now!

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        #13.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
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                                                                        pasmalltowngirl

                                                                        The kind of treatment Senator Clinton and her supporters received and still receive are also "tasteless and offensive". But, that was okay and still is okay and has been condoned by the Obama camp, the DNC and the MSM.. What a bunch of hypocrites they all are. Maybe they are "just messin with you", Obama. Can't take a joke, Well lightin up. Get over it. Geesh. You know the old saying "what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Or how about this one, what goes around comes around. Or, What you give you shall receive.

                                                                        • 8 votes
                                                                        Reply#14 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:30 AM EDT
                                                                        Republicans R Thieves

                                                                        Get Over It, for Christ sake!!!!

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        #14.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:54 AM EDT
                                                                        Jim Johnson-243145Deleted
                                                                        G. Barrett, SC

                                                                        pasmalltowngirl....Are you serious? It is time to let some things go. I still don't see all this maltreatment that Sen. Obama supposedly gave to Sen. Clinton, but I am not going to harp on that. The fact of the matter is, Sen. Clinton lost to the person who campaigned better. It's time to move on.

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        #14.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:17 AM EDT
                                                                        oldguru

                                                                        Please! pasmalltowngirl, Grow the hell up!

                                                                          #14.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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                                                                          amfh

                                                                          This is SERIOUSLY offensive and outrageous and I am disgusted that the New Yorker would publish such. Why? Because of the very first comment posted to this forum...."Pretty good cover if you ask me." I understand satire, I "get it"; however, there's a large percentage of uninformed American electorate who does NOT "get it"...and will see this cover as "proof" that the egregious rumors about the Obama's are true. A visual lasts forever and has tremendous impact...forever.

                                                                          How can this normally fine publication be so ignorant of the psychology of the American voter?

                                                                            Reply#15 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:30 AM EDT
                                                                            amfh

                                                                            This is SERIOUSLY offensive and outrageous and I am disgusted that the New Yorker would publish such. Why? Because of the very first comment posted to this forum...."Pretty good cover if you ask me." I understand satire, I "get it"; however, there's a large percentage of uninformed American electorate who does NOT "get it"...and will see this cover as "proof" that the egregious rumors about the Obama's are true. A visual lasts forever and has tremendous impact...forever.

                                                                            How can this normally fine publication be so ignorant of the psychology of the American voter?

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                                                                            Reply#16 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:30 AM EDT
                                                                            Kathy Comiskey

                                                                            The way you carry on, perhaps you think most Americans don't have the good sense to vote ? Give us some credit, will you ? The rest of us may not be as smart as you, but we aren't stupid. The New Yorker, is, and has been, about satire. That's not news. Don't buy it if you don't like it. Last I checked, this was still the land of the free. As for the brave part, Obama's camp needs to quit crying!

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                                                                            #16.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
                                                                            Pfffft!

                                                                            Sorry, time for him to reveal who he is, in the open light. That's what you don't like.

                                                                            • 5 votes
                                                                            #16.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
                                                                            Republicans R Thieves

                                                                            Kathy this WAS the land of the free, not anymore, put McCrazy in the house, all this country will be is land. The world hate us, and Iran and every other country is waiting to nuke us, because McStupid like GBash likes to talk out the side of his neck, like a 10yr old.

                                                                            • 3 votes
                                                                            #16.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:57 AM EDT
                                                                            Jim Johnson-243145Deleted
                                                                            amfh

                                                                            Kathy - you said: "The way you carry on, perhaps you think most Americans don't have the good sense to vote ? Give us some credit, will you ? The rest of us may not be as smart as you, but we aren't stupid. The New Yorker, is, and has been, about satire. That's not news. Don't buy it if you don't like it. Last I checked, this was still the land of the free. As for the brave part, Obama's camp needs to quit crying!"
                                                                            ------------

                                                                            I am relieved that you are a voter who understands that this is satire, and, certainly, please do purchase the New Yorker if you appreciate their cover for this issue. The only point I wished to make is that there are MANY who do not "get it" and who will disseminate and use this cover as "proof" that their internet rumored and often debunked notions about the Obama's IS correct...Please glance at the many replies so far, if you don't believe me.

                                                                            I believe I read that you would have voted for Hillary because "she has balls" (and for presumably more substantive reasons as well) - I would have, too, had she won the Democratic nomination. She did not and Obama won fair and square - I will support him in the general as I hope you will, too - their positions were never too far apart in any case.

                                                                            Since you brought Hillary into the discussion, do you honestly believe she and her camp would not have decried a similar "satirical" cover had she been portrayed as the murderer of Vince Foster (another idiotic internet rumor that many still believe)? No? I thought not.

                                                                            It's not "whining" to defend one's honor and the TRUTH.

                                                                            • 1 vote
                                                                            #16.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:18 AM EDT
                                                                            amfh

                                                                            Pfffft, you said:
                                                                            "Sorry, time for him to reveal who he is, in the open light. That's what you don't like."
                                                                            ----------

                                                                            Do you honestly believe this is an accurate portrayal of the Obamas? Do you REALLY?
                                                                            I am incredulous, if so.....

                                                                            I suspect you have no desire to be proven wrong, and that you would never have considered voting for a Democratic nominee in any case; however, if you decide you would prefer to make your voting decision based on truth and rationality, please check the accuracy of the email forwards you receive from your friends at before you accept any and all negative commentary about Barack Obama and his wife.

                                                                            • 1 vote
                                                                            #16.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:23 AM EDT
                                                                            WheresReagan2008

                                                                            It's funny when Keith Olbermann does his nightly hate ranting about Bush and Cheaney.
                                                                            Or SNL doing their weekly bashing of Republicans then to have Hussein on just to, not bash him, but put him into the limelight. These are all funny, right? A little one-sided though. And please, unlike Democrats do, give the common voter a little credit. Most people are informed about the candidates. Most people don't believe everything they see on TV or read in the NY Times. At least I hope not, because with the Liberal Media, that to is a little one-sided.

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                                                                            #16.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:32 AM EDT
                                                                            Deep Thought-327110

                                                                            Amfh - People who look and read the New Yorker will have their own comments about it. For one thing you cannot prove it is NOT true either. Even if it is purely false, would you rather have the right of freedom of the press to be taken away? I bet you would. What other rights would you like taken away to fulfill your sense of political correctness?
                                                                            GO MOVE TO SOME OTHER COUNTRY AND STOP CRYING ABOUT MY COUNTRY!!

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                                                                            #16.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
                                                                            Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

                                                                            my question though, as we're spitting venom and calling the leaders of our country, whether we like them or not, is that they are acting "like 10 year olds"...yet in our vast thirst of knowledge and advancement in years which has (in hopes) educated past that 10 year old state of min, we've resorted to name calling...

                                                                            how interesting

                                                                              #16.9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
                                                                              Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

                                                                              my question though, as we're spitting venom and calling the leaders of our country, whether we like them or not, is that they are acting "like 10 year olds"...yet in our vast thirst of knowledge and advancement in years which has (in hopes) educated past that 10 year old state of min, we've resorted to name calling...

                                                                              how interesting

                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                              #16.10 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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                                                                              Mary-299551

                                                                              I do not think this should have been put on a cover of the New Yorker. It is in very bad . There are a lot of people out there that do not read about all the candidates or what they stand for, and would take this as a fact that his wife is against the people of this country, and that he is a Muslim. It is tasteless and offensive. She isn't against people and he is a Christian. It will sale a lot of copies and figure that is what the New Yorker wants to do. It just shows me that it is a magazine I will never buy again, if they want to hurt people like that.

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                                                                              Reply#17 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:31 AM EDT
                                                                              Hattie2008

                                                                              Mary, I agree with you that many people do not actually read about the candidates and believe whatever lies are posted about them. My friend to this day keeps bringing up the fact that since Obama is a Muslim, she wouldn't vote for him. There are many problems with this. To name a few:

                                                                              I would NEVER vote for a person based on their religious beliefs. I am an athiest but I respect everyone's right to practice whatever religion they so choose.

                                                                              Obama is NOT a muslim. To say he is a muslim because his father was would be like me saying I'm a Catholic because my parents were. Regardless of what others posted about Shari'a law and all that, if you do not CHOOSE to practice a religion, you are not OF that religion.

                                                                              On the other hand, if we let our politicians tell us what we can print about them (satirically or otherwise) we will be giving up a basic American freedom. This is the freedom of press and speech. It is absolutely in Obama's rights to be offended by this cartoon, but it was completely in the New Yorker's rights to print it and they shouldn't feel sorry about it. As soon as we start allowing the government to censor our press (and I'm not talking about matters of National Security), we have already lost.

                                                                              I am what is probably considered an oxymoron; I am an athiest Republican. I don't let religious beliefs decide where I stand politically, but others do and I respect that and even understand it.

                                                                              Now, Mary, back to what you posted...You say that there are many people out there who don't read about the candidates or what they stand for, so tell me, why are you so worried about this cartoon? If you honestly believe most people out there don't research their candidates, what makes you think they will even know about this magazine. If they don't read, they don't read, and that (I would imagine) includes satirical cartoons.

                                                                              The people who are so set in their ways as to take this picture at word value, would probably have continued to believe it no matter the proof against it so where's the harm? It is what it is. It is a satire. It makes fun of these people (whether they know it or not).

                                                                              • 1 vote
                                                                              #17.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
                                                                              mspaul

                                                                              " If you honestly believe most people out there don't research their candidates, what makes you think they will even know about this magazine. If they don't read, they don't read, and that (I would imagine) includes satirical cartoons. "

                                                                              They will know about it because the cover is now splashed on the front page of every news website and newspaper. All you need to do is look at the ignorant comments on this one forum to know that there are plenty of uninformed people out there who have seen this cover.

                                                                              "The people who are so set in their ways as to take this picture at word value, would probably have continued to believe it no matter the proof against it so where's the harm? It is what it is. It is a satire. It makes fun of these people (whether they know it or not). "

                                                                              The harm is that those people now think that the New Yorker, a magazine in the legitimate press, is endorsing and validating their ignorant views.

                                                                                #17.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
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                                                                                shelli in chandler

                                                                                What in the HELL!! You people are just so tasteless. DO NOT ELECT McCain he will surely take use down. Wake up people

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                                                                                Reply#18 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
                                                                                Iatros

                                                                                I hope that you sometimes think before you talk, but I doubt it.

                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                #18.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:43 AM EDT
                                                                                ole gunny

                                                                                No one can take us down except ourselves.

                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                #18.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:55 AM EDT
                                                                                Republicans R Thieves

                                                                                Don't worry Shelli, McStupid keep writing checks the US can't cash, we will find ourselves under gravel.

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                                                                                #18.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
                                                                                Jim Johnson-243145Deleted
                                                                                David M-375690Deleted
                                                                                G. Barrett, SC

                                                                                Obama is an American. What's wrong with the Koran? If he was "raised on" it, even though, his mother did not raise him on any religion, he chose to become a Christian, it just shows that he has a broader world view than many of the small-minded people we continue to elect.

                                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                                #18.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
                                                                                WheresReagan2008

                                                                                Jim, you're correct. Why do you think that Obama has not
                                                                                accepted any town hall sessions with McCain? Because he
                                                                                cannot think on his own! You're right when he can only read
                                                                                from teleprompters. He would crumble in front of America
                                                                                if he was asked a question from a typical American because
                                                                                he wouldn't have anyone there to give him the answer. He's
                                                                                a fraud, I'm sorry, he's a professional politician.

                                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                                #18.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:20 AM EDT
                                                                                Gingersnaps

                                                                                He has been groomed to be elected president, and take over this country, or at least bring it to it's knees. Whomever votes for this piece of trash is abbetting terrorism. DON'T DO IT!!!

                                                                                David M-375690

                                                                                Every White male American has been groomed by birth to be the President of the United States. NO woman, black, asian, etc other than White male has been President from the beginning of America. So stop your fear mongering. Wakeup from the nightmare you are causing yourself. Freddy is dead.

                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                #18.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
                                                                                American Lobo

                                                                                Obama will "run circles" around McSame in a town hall style open debate.

                                                                                Obama is more intelligent than Bush Sr./Jr. and Mcsame. And his memory isn't failing him.(like McSame)

                                                                                It's really not fair for Barack have a battle of intelligence with an unarmed person(McSame).

                                                                                It's obvious Obama has to play the political game to get elected but so do ALL Presidential candidates.

                                                                                Barack really wasn't prepared for all the bashing and propaganda the Neocons and rightwingers unleashed. He's had to learn how to fight fire with fire and do what he must to become President. I respect him for that. He listens better and learns quicker than McSame ever will.

                                                                                  #18.9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
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                                                                                  Mark-372894

                                                                                  The comments here are proof that the cover is really a sad commentary about how many Americans perceive and fear Obama, and African Americans in general. I think its an important reality check on how Obama is falsely portrayed in the talk radio media on a daily basis. Why is offensive when that reality is made more public.

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                                                                                  Reply#19 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
                                                                                  martvol

                                                                                  Is Obama an American or an African? He cannot be both. That "Politicaly correct" term is not correct! If its correct, then am I a German-Italian-French-American? NO! I am an American...Period. We (whites,blacks,yellows,oranges,and greens) need to stop difining ourself by the color of our skin. It's racist both ways. Take that question off applications for employment and simply ask if you are a citizen of the United States of America. We are one, E Plurabus Unum. From many, one. We need to stop trying to divid ourselves into groups against each other.

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                                                                                  #19.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:19 AM EDT
                                                                                  G. Barrett, SC

                                                                                  Let's not get into this. For years, African Americans were denied their rights as "American" citizens. By claiming our lineage, we are not denying that we are American; however, we recgonize where we came from. Get over it. It's as simple as that. I don't see how my pride in all that I am should be of any concern to you.

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                                                                                  #19.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
                                                                                  TenntomDeleted
                                                                                  Deep Thought-327110

                                                                                  I think G barret needs to get over it. Women were denied there rights too. And slavery ended many many years ago. WHen you bring up race now and base it on the distant past, you just make it worse for yourself and others like you.

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                                                                                  #19.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:48 AM EDT
                                                                                  Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

                                                                                  The irony to the term "African American" is that most can't even trace their roots back to the mother country (coupled with the fact that since all life began in the African region...we are all theoretically "African American").

                                                                                  That said though, as my Grandfather on my mothers side came here from Mexico (legally, don't freak out), his parents both from Spain, and my father's father's parents both from Scotland (I hold the lineage as well as the ship registrar that shows their signing into the docks in NYC), I guess that "could" in theory allow me to rise up and say, call me Scottish-Spanish-Mexican American...after all, I can directly trace my roots within three generations back to my "nations of origin". How many advocates of the 'AA' term do that?

                                                                                  Instead, I'm AMERICAN. Period! Stop forcing segregation down my throat. I didn't have slaves, didn't want slaves, and grew up in and around the DC area so I've grown up with mostly black friends (that would prefer to just be known as AMERICAN by birth, black by color...I know...I've asked what some have thought of all this crap).

                                                                                  ...get over it guys, it's not a big deal.

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                                                                                  #19.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
                                                                                  WheresReagan2008

                                                                                  G. Barett, were you born in Africa, or ever even visited? I say this
                                                                                  because, regardless how your race ended-up in America, you are
                                                                                  now blessed. What the English man did, buying African slaves from
                                                                                  African slave traders, was a bad thing. That was a long time ago. I
                                                                                  don't hold a grudge over what the Persians did to the Athenians by
                                                                                  saying I'm a Athen-American. Why would you do the same? If you
                                                                                  remember, all that come to this country SHOULD assimilate. All that
                                                                                  are born here should be proud to simply call themselves solely Amercians.
                                                                                  This divisive "Label" you put on yourselves IS what's dividing you. You
                                                                                  cannot use the "white folks" as an excuse any longer. Unless you
                                                                                  consider only getting $30 million in a signing bonus for a major league
                                                                                  team instead of $35 million "holding you down". Stop denying that you
                                                                                  still have no right to succeed in this country. I suggest to be proud in
                                                                                  your country of origin, birth place not mental origin, or actually go to
                                                                                  Africa to see the starvation and genocide going on there daily. Then
                                                                                  you'll get a better appreciation for the country you place after the hyphen.

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                                                                                  #19.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
                                                                                  Not fooled by distractions

                                                                                  It also shows what sheep people are - that they can so easily be swayed with inaccurate and inflammatory info. That they are intellectually lazy and don't do research. The dumber they are the more angry they appear. Kinda like Marie Thomson...now there's a real piece of gop work for ya'!

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                                                                                  #19.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
                                                                                  G. Barrett, SC

                                                                                  Let me respond to all this...whatever it is. I am not harping on the past. I am stating that there is nothing wrong with me choosing to link myself with my lost heritage by identifying myself as an African American. It does not take away from the fact that I was born in America, but it does note my pride in where my ancestors came from. It is not holding on to the past. I bring up the point that blacks were denied "American" rights because for a long time we were not allowed to be considered Americans...I'm not only referring to slavery, I am talking about only 40 years ago in the Jim Crow south. That's not that long ago, and you can't simply wipe that out of the minds of many who endured the suffering associated with that time. So, for many of us to say we are African American, we are simply embracing the past and the present. Paying homage from where we originated and accepting where we currently are.

                                                                                  No one is using anything as an excuse. It is a fact that I am proud of who I am and the strength of my ancestors who helped build this country.
                                                                                  Once again, my definition of my race, has no implication on anyone else, so why is it your issue?

                                                                                  • 4 votes
                                                                                  #19.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:57 AM EDT
                                                                                  Gingersnaps

                                                                                  I think Blacks were tired of being called N*ggar, monkeys, coons, jiggaboo, negro, etc...etc... Alot of Whites are complaining of institutions that were put in place during segregation, jim crow laws, and even slavery. So when employees stop asking me to list my color on job applications I will drop African. Historically Black Colleges were formed because Whites wouldn't let us in their schools. NAACP was formed to attack the enjustices implemented by Jim Crow laws and other White institutions. Black churches were created because Blacks became tired of sitting in the balcony. So yes, maybe we havent set foot in Africa, but the only history we was allowed to know is that we were bought from Africa and sold in America. Everyone who is tired of the phrase African American need to get into their time machine and tell their forefathers that EVERYONE is human and American. Also, let them know that EVERYONE has the right to learn, vote, and own property. Also, let them know that segregation is wrong. Then come back to 2008, and maybe things will be different.

                                                                                  • 4 votes
                                                                                  #19.9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
                                                                                  American Lobo

                                                                                  Obama is an AMERICAN of caucasian/black(African) descent.

                                                                                    #19.10 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
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                                                                                    Emily Dale

                                                                                    Satirical or not, this plays quite nicely into the hands and minds of the rightists who believe such trash and circulate it among their cohorts. Let's see if the New Yorker does such a hatchet job on McCain the the next issue to even the playing field.

                                                                                      Reply#20 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
                                                                                      filologo

                                                                                      The cover paints them exactly what they are. It may be satirical but it reflects these two race pushers faithfully. Thanks New Yorker, for showing what most in the media would be afraid to show. You are the champions of free speech, at least for now. I hope you don't backtrack and start apologizing for this.

                                                                                        Reply#21 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
                                                                                        LouNYC-375646

                                                                                        Get a life!

                                                                                        Weren't we the ones saying that publishing cartoons of Mohammed was an issue of free speech?

                                                                                        So is this.

                                                                                        Funny how my fellow Democrats are willing to give it but can't take it themselves.

                                                                                        Does this portray Obama in a negative light? Yes. But these images are out there and we cannot wish them away. Better to put it out there and debate the issue.

                                                                                          Reply#22 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
                                                                                          Kathy Comiskey

                                                                                          I have never seen such a crybaby running for ANY office !! He needs to get over his 'treat me with kid gloves' attitude. I am about tired of his crying & suffering !! The man is about to become his own worst enemy.
                                                                                          I would have voted for Hillary. She's got balls, but this crybaby, who is all fluff and no stuff (pure rhetoric, he is !) is going to have a struggle. His brand of change, I can do without !! McCain is my man....the lesser of the 2 evils.
                                                                                          Does Obama seriously think that running for President is a cakewalk & everyone will be nice ? Shows how unprepared he is ! He needs to get out of the kitchen because it will only get hotter.

                                                                                          • 5 votes
                                                                                          Reply#23 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
                                                                                          thisisnotamerica1Deleted
                                                                                          Pfffft!

                                                                                          What you're describing is "entitlement"

                                                                                          • 3 votes
                                                                                          #23.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
                                                                                          John-330577

                                                                                          Your all sick people, Obama loves his country and probably one of the best in history, to try and bring america back.
                                                                                          You want the country to DIE, get McCain in, you will all deserve it, then i will have the last laugh, as he has an 85% approval rating here in Europe

                                                                                          • 2 votes
                                                                                          #23.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
                                                                                          ole gunny

                                                                                          He is not running in Europe, or is he?

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                                                                                          #23.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
                                                                                          Republicans R Thieves

                                                                                          Kathy you posting like you haven't had a man in a decade, get over the Hillary drama. What grown man jokes about killing people and this is who you want as your next president. An ignorant, OLD, diaper wearing, cheating on his wife with a crack head, man who thinks the military is there as his goons.

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                                                                                          #23.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:13 AM EDT
                                                                                          G. Barrett, SC

                                                                                          I have never seen such a crybaby running for ANY office !!

                                                                                          Next time, I suggest you actually read the article. If you had, you would see that it says that his camp denounced the article, but Sen. Obama had no comment...

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                                                                                          #23.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
                                                                                          Jason.

                                                                                          Hey thief! I haven't read one post from you that didn't come directly out of your liberal, socialist, elitist, racist, ignorant, hypocritical TOILET! Is this what you do for fun? Is this how you show the true colors of liberal compassion and tolerance?

                                                                                          G. Barrett - obama had no comment b/c is a typical liberal...weak!

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                                                                                          #23.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
                                                                                          Grumpy Grouchy Old Coot

                                                                                          "Next time, I suggest you actually read the article. If you had, you would see that it says that his camp denounced the article, but Sen. Obama had no comment..."

                                                                                          Because he had locked himself in his room and was busy having a good cry.

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                                                                                          #23.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:54 AM EDT
                                                                                          Not fooled by distractions

                                                                                          have never seen such a crybaby running for ANY office !! He needs to get over his 'treat me with kid gloves' attitude. I am about tired of his crying & suffering !! The man is about to become his own worst enemy.

                                                                                          You very aptly described mccain here - remember the hissy he threw when he tried to twist Gen Clarks statement. There's more of a premadona problem with mccain- whenever he doesn't or can't answer questions - which is becoming more frequent these days - he resorts to old viet nam - just like rudy did with 9/11. For a tough old soldier he sure has thin skin. It makes me wonder...what is mccain hiding? He's only released portions of his medical and military records - he's hiding something, and has a real hard time addressing issues. His reaction last week to the viagra/birth control issue was disgraceful. He's gotten kid glove treatment, and I hope it ends because it's not deserved. Being a pow doesn't give you license to lie.

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                                                                                          #23.9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
                                                                                          Gingersnaps

                                                                                          I hope you felt the same about Hillary and sexism.

                                                                                            #23.10 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
                                                                                            esprit

                                                                                            Exactly what response would any person depicted on this cover say, I support it. You are about the dumbest ass group of people to be able to type a letter and form a thought.

                                                                                            This country is going to hell!!! we are the laughing stock of the world. After hundreds of years, yes the end of slavery and equal rights, you still comment on how people term or call themselves.

                                                                                            Look on an application - see what terms are requested for race. They don't say American. They say white or Caucasian, black or African American and then continue to break down in races.

                                                                                            Send your message to the country and have everyone select other. IF not pick up a damn book and educate yourselves. If you are raising children, send them to foster care, give them a chance to get out of your racists homes.

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                                                                                            #23.11 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
                                                                                            George-295538

                                                                                            Wow...so Obama chooses not to comment on a silly cartoon and he is a crybaby. When Mccain whines and throws hissy fits, he is a man? We really need help in thos country folks.

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                                                                                            #23.12 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:56 PM EDT
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                                                                                            Phil37066

                                                                                            Waaahhh! Cry babies! If this had been a pic of McCain depicting him as an elderly warmongering guy buying an Iranian a pack of cigarettes, the Democrats would have thought it was witty and thought provoking. If you can't take it Barack, throw in the towel....

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                                                                                            Reply#24 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
                                                                                            G. Barrett, SC

                                                                                            Again, read the article. His camp denounced it and so did McCain's camp...

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                                                                                            #24.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
                                                                                            Grumpy Grouchy Old Coot

                                                                                            "Again, read the article. His camp denounced it and so did McCain's camp..."

                                                                                            Which had nothing at all to do with the original posting, but maybe your view was obstructed by your face's proximity to Obama's backside.

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                                                                                            #24.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
                                                                                            G. Barrett, SC

                                                                                            Yes it does. Maybe you should re-read the post. Saying that they are cry babies is ridiculous and childish and so is your comment about my face in proximity to Obama's backside. Obvious point, that wisdom, age, and maturity do not necessarily coincide.

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                                                                                            #24.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
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                                                                                            Chi-Town CherylDeleted
                                                                                            James W Bryant

                                                                                            I don't see what the problem is. The uninformed and uneducated voter is what the Democrats hope
                                                                                            to reach. They probably never look at a New Yorker magazine, much less read it.

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                                                                                            Reply#27 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
                                                                                            thisisnotamerica1Deleted
                                                                                            DD50

                                                                                            Actually, James is probably right. For that matter, I "pay attention" and have a degree, but would not have picked up that mag either.
                                                                                            The cover is stupid - save it for Mad Magazine. I've seen some pretty insulting cartoons of ol' George. I just wish they'd leave the ladies out of it. Like last week's announcement of that trashy fiction book that lifted some details out of Laura Bush's life to "spice it up". Eww.
                                                                                            Having Michelle look like Angela Davis is kinda funny, after the flap last week with Jesse Jackson, sort of generational humor I guess. But, now I want to see a cover with McCain dressed up in a kilt - maybe like Scrooge McDuck, and his wife's facelift so tight that she looks like a duck, or some such nonsense. Or not. Maybe they could just take the high road from now on. Ha ha. Sure they will.

                                                                                              #27.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:11 AM EDT
                                                                                              thisisnotamerica1Deleted
                                                                                              Jason.

                                                                                              notAmerica - why do liberals always resort to name calling? Once again no substance from a liberal poster!!!

                                                                                                #27.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
                                                                                                DD50

                                                                                                Laura Bush is a schoolteacher, and dedicated to literacy. Oh well, can't please everyone. God forbid anyone promote education in this country. (I'm a little bitter that Cali is #46 in the nation on money spent on kids.)

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                                                                                                #27.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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                                                                                                royalcat

                                                                                                It is very offensive, and should have never been put on the front of the magazine. I will never buy the New Yorker again.

                                                                                                Perhaps the New Yorker will run a "satire" on McCain. Let's see now....should it be the adulterer sneaking out on his first wife Carol to go shacking up with Cindy before he and Carol were divorced .......
                                                                                                OR........

                                                                                                perhaps draw him as a two year old, put him in a diaper, give him a great big baby bonnet, and have him screaming obscenities during a temper tantrum while his finger wavers over the red button to start WWIII?

                                                                                                Either one, but people need to understand, McCain committed adultery while married to his first wife, later divorced her and married the rich chick. And if he doesn't get his way, his temper is that of a two year old. So all you people who hated Clinton for what he did, McCain is no better, probably worse.

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                                                                                                Reply#28 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:38 AM EDT
                                                                                                Pfffft!

                                                                                                Or....standing over a liberal, whose head is in the guillotine, with his hand on the lever!

                                                                                                  #28.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:52 AM EDT
                                                                                                  Deep Thought-327110

                                                                                                  LOL. If martial problems are the only things Americans have to worry about in their president then that's a relief. I much rather have someone that will defend our country than someone who wants to take away our rights and let us live here like sitting ducks to the terrorists.

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                                                                                                  #28.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
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